カテゴリー「MJテープ」の12件の記事

MJテープ:結婚やリサについて。

またまた、一言一句ではないですからね~。意味だけ、汲み取ってください。

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S:妻に対して、不誠実な男性をどう思う?

MJ:よくないことだと思うけど、理解はできる。変な答え方だけど…。

S:メガスターとしてのあなたと恋に落ちる女性が多いから、不誠実な男性よりも、セレブに対して尻が軽い女性の方が悪いということ?

MJ:女性は男性を非常に不幸せにすることがある。兄弟を見ていてそう思う。彼らの妻が原因で、彼らが、泣きながら、芝生の草を取っていたのを見たことがある。

S:彼らの妻たちは、彼らのことよりも彼らの成功の方に関心が高かったのかな?

MJ:もちろんだよ。お金目当てさ。だから、僕は、絶対に結婚しないと自分に言い聞かせていた。僕が(兄弟の中で)一番長く実家にいたよ。27か28くらいの時まで。

S:リサの魅力の一部は、彼女が自分自身のお金もあり、名声もあることだった?間違った理由で、あなたに興味を持たれる心配はなかったってこと?

MJ:全くその通り。(離婚した時に)彼女は、一円も取らなかったよ。何も彼女は欲していなかった。エルビスグッズのおかげで、年間何百万ドルも稼いでるからね。金を取るような性でもないし。

S:ということは、世界中で1人しか結婚できる人がいなかったってことだよね。金持ちでも、あなたの名声に食らいつく人はいるだろうから。金を持っていて、名声もなきゃいけなかったんだね。プレスリーとか、マッカトニーとか。

MJ:リサは素晴らしかったよ。スィートだった。でも、僕を一つの場所に縛ることはできなかったんだ。一つの場所にずっといることができないんだ。だから、常に結婚という状態にいられるとは思えない。

S:彼女との子供の父親になりたかった?

MJ:うん。

S:彼女の子供達とまだ連絡を取り合っている?

MJ:うん。子どもたちと彼女ともね。

S: でも、結婚は縛られる?

MJ:うん。結婚に耐えられるかどうか。僕は、ローリングストーンだから(常に動いているから。)。常に動いているのを女性は好きではないんだ。常にひとつの場所に落ち着きたがる。でも、僕は、動かなきゃ。自分の家が近くにあっても、ホテルに泊まってしまう。どこかに行く気分を味わうために。とにかく、僕は常に動いているんだ。

S:寂しくなることはある?

MJ:妻がほしくなるということ?連れがほしいってこと?

S:そう。

MJ:僕は、二度、辛い離婚を経験しているんだ。やっと二度目から抜け出した。この二人と結婚しているときも、僕は傷ついていた。昨日だって、泣きながら寝ていたよ。昨日は、よく眠れなかった。シュムリー、僕は、泣くんだよ。だって、正直なこと言うけど、もし信じないんだったら、フランクに聞いて。フランクはぼくがどれだけ傷ついていたか知っているから。僕は、苦しんでいる子供たちの痛みを感じるから、自分の知っている子供たちでそういう子たちには、できるだけ手を差し伸べようとする。で、1人の子に電話をかけたら、もうその子は亡くなっていた。傷つくよ。こういうところから僕の真の愛が沸き起こる。だから、子供たちを助けられるんだったら、それで充分で、ロマンスはいらないんだよ。

どこかで、綺麗な女性だなぁ、と思う女性に会って…、こういう女性はかなり沢山いるけど…、それはそれでいいよ。デートするかもしれない。何も問題はない。この間、ジェニロペを見たら、めちゃくちゃ魅力的だったよ。ショック受けた。今までそんなに魅力的だと思ってなかったから。(リサコの独り言:やっぱり、お尻フェチ?!)

S:あなたを理解できる女性はもう現れないかな?子供たちの方がよっぽどあなたを理解していると思っているみたいだけど?

MJ:妻として僕と一緒に生活するのは簡単なことじゃない。僕自身が単純じゃないし、僕もそのことをよくわかっている。だって、自分のすべての時間を他人に捧げているから。子どもたちに。病気の子供や音楽に時間を捧げている。でも、女性は生活の中心にいたいんだ。リサがいつも言ってた。「私は一つの家具じゃないのよ。」「私は一つの家具じゃないの。あなたは…」と言う。僕は、「僕だって、君が一つの家具だなんていやだよ。」とか言っていると、病気の小さい女の子が電話をしてきて、彼女は怒って電話を切っちゃうんだ。でも、シュムリー、僕の使命だと思っているんだよ。やらないといけないんだ。

S:もし、凄く優しい女性が現れたらどうする?

MJ:マザーテレサとか、ダイアナ妃とか?素晴らしいよ。完璧だよ。

S:1人でやるよりも、いい?

MJ:もちろん。リサは、一緒に病院に行ったりするのに、ピッタリな人だったし、とても親切だった。ベッドに縛られている赤ちゃんを見ると、二人で、ほどいてあげたし、すべての赤ちゃんを自由にしてあげた。そういう不当な行為は僕は大嫌いだった。リサは一緒に見てくれたよ。ルーマニア、プラハ、チェコ、ロシア…。

S:リサは、一緒に子供たちを訪問したり、彼らを特別な気持ちにさせるには、ピッタリな人で、何も問題はなかったんだね?

MJ:問題は全くなかった。でも、彼女自身の子供たちに関しては、よく議論していた。彼女の子供たちは、彼女の最大の関心事で、僕は、「違うよ、全ての子供たちが僕らの関心ごとだ」と言っていたんだ。彼女はぼくがこういうのを嫌がっていた。怒ってたよ。

後、喧嘩したのは、2人の小さい男の子がロンドンで別の男の子を殺して、僕は、その子たちに会いに行こうとしたんだ。なぜなら、エリザベス女王が無期懲役を言い渡したから。10歳か11歳そこらの少年たちだったから、刑務所に行こうとしたんだ。そしたら、彼女は、「このアホ。彼らがやったことを称賛することになるのよ。」と言うんだ。僕は、「なんてことを言うんだ?彼らの人生を遡ったら、きっと、彼らは両親がそばにいなくて、誰も愛してくれる者はいなかったんだよ。彼らを抱いて目を見て「愛しているよ」なんて言われたことないんだ。彼らは無期懲役だったとしても、そういうことは彼らにとって必要なんだよ。だから、僕は、愛していると言って抱いてあげたいんだ。」と言ったら、彼女は、「間違ってる。」と言い、僕は「あなたが間違ってる。」と言ったんだ。

後で、聞いた情報によると、彼らの家族はやはり壊れていて、小さい子供達として、育てられていなかった。チャッキーの映画を見て、刃物で刺したり、殺すことを覚えたんだ。

S:その情報を聞いて、彼女は、あなたが正しかったと認めた?

MJ:いーや。彼女は、僕が悪い子たちを称賛していると思っている。

S:彼女は、あなたに、彼女の子供たちの父親になってもらいたかった?

MJ:その質問は、一度テレビで彼女がされていた。彼女は、「いいえ。彼らには父親がいますから。彼らの父親は、キーオです。」。あの男だよ。でも、僕は本当に彼女の子供たちにはよくしていたんだ。毎日、何かしら家に持ち帰って、彼らは、窓際でずっと僕の帰りを待ってくれていて、抱いてくれた。彼らを愛しているよ。恋しい。

S:彼らはネバーランドに住み慣れていた?もしくは、孤立していた?

MJ:リサはネバーランドに住んだことはない。僕が彼女の家に住んでいて、ネバーランドを逆に訪れていたんだ。週末の楽しみみたいな感じで。

S:子供たちは気に入ってた?

MJ:当たり前でしょ?天国にいるような感じだったよ。

S: じゃ、見せ甲斐があった?

MJ:うん、うん。

S:僕は、結婚はいいものだと思っている。リサとの関係がぎくしゃくし始めたとき、辛かった?家族に対する理想や、自分が思い描いていた親密な家族を作るために、特にあなたは…

MJ:僕は子供が欲しかったけど、彼女は、違った。

S:彼女には、もう子供がいるから?

MJ: そう。結婚する前に、約束してくれて、結婚したら、最初にすることは、子供を持つことだった。だから、彼女がそう思っていないことがわかったとき、赤ちゃんの人形を抱きながら、泣いていたよ。それだけ子供が欲しかったんだ。子供を持つと決意していたんだ。だから、約束を破られて、がっかりしたよ。離婚した後、彼女は、僕の母親といっつも一緒にいて、「9人の子供を差し上げます。あなたの望みどおりになんでもするわ。」という手紙を(複数)くれたし、もちろん、メディアはこのことを知らないけど、何か月も何か月も、彼女は僕を取り戻そうとしていた。でも、僕の心は、頑なになってしまっていた。全ての状況に心を閉ざしていたんだ。

S:彼女は、またヨリを戻そうとしていた?

MJ:うん。

S:でも、子供たちが最大の関心事だったんだね?

MJ:もちろん。

S:彼女は自分の子供を持っていて、それでおしまいだったってこと。

MJ:彼女は自分の子供を持っていたけど、僕は、もっと子供を持って、一つの大きな家族を作りたかった。9か10人、子供を持つのが夢なんだ。

S:まだあなたは若いから、これから、持てるかな?

MJ:うん。

S: でも、それは、また結婚することを意味するけど?

MJ:うん。

S:結婚するの?

MJ:うん。もしくは、養子をとる。

S:マイケル、あなたがセレブな故に、自分の望みとは違うタイプの女性を魅了していると思う?

MJ:うん。だから、難しいんだ。セレブが結婚することは大変なことだよ。

S:セレブとしか結婚できない?

MJ: セレブだったら、似た境遇を味わっているから、楽だよね。お金目当てではないし、グラミーを取ったからと言って、近づいてくるわけでもないし。

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MJテープ:マイコーの本音 パート2

相変わらず、すべてを文字通り訳していません。微妙によくわからないところは飛ばしています~。

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女性全般について。

S:お付き合いした女性の中で、体当たりしてこなかった女性たち、つまり、高嶺の花で、ちょっと自分が追いかけないといけないような女性たち、に一番関心があった?

MJ:上品で、静かで、性的なことばかりにハマらない人達。ぼくがハマらない人だから。

S:そういう人たちに一番関心があった?

MJ:うん。(女性との)お付き合いにおいて、よくわからないことが多いんだ。これからも、わかるのか、どうか…。そのことが一番傷つく。時々人がやっていることが、なぜできるのか、よくわからないんだ。

S:ひどいこと?

MJ:自分たちの体に対して、ひどいことや品のないことをすることだよ。よく理解できないし、自分の(女性との)関係性をそのことで傷つけた。

S:ということは、あなたの愛は、純粋ってこと?

MJ:かなり純粋だね。いくつかのことには、ショックを受けたくらいだ。ダイアナ妃を見てごらんよ。ああいう女性。あの品格。

S:ああいう純粋さ?王族の人間として教育された人間でよく見られるものかな。

MJ:いいや。見ないね。僕はああいう女性が好きなんだ。彼女は、心底、人々のことを考えていたし、世界をより良い場所にしようとしていた。彼女の心は、他人に向かっていた。彼女が、膝の上に小さい赤ちゃんを乗せて抱っこしながら、顔を触ってる写真を見てごらん。あれは、偽物じゃないよ。本物だとわかるよね。彼女が手袋をした手を振っているのを見ただけでも、彼女のハートが見えるよね。

S:一度でも、自分と趣味趣向が似ている女性と会ったことある?かくれんぼとか、水遊びをするような相手。

MJ:まだないね。そういう相手は、子供たちに嫉妬するんだよ。自分自身の子供たちに嫉妬して、競争し始めるんだ。あまり気分良くないよ。

S:あなたが好きな冗談が好きだったり、マンガを集めるような女性とは会ったことある?

MJ:なかなかいないよね。もし見つけたら、興奮しちゃうよ。特に、その彼女が、内面的に美しければね。僕にとっては、ドンピシャ。でも、なかなかいないから、男とつるむんだよ。

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MJテープ:マイコーの本音。

前回と前々回の日記は、このブログの趣旨に合わないので、非公開にしました~。お許しをっ。

シュムリーのテープ、全て訳すのは大変なので、かいつまんで説明します。一言一句を訳しているわけではないので、大体の内容です。後、youtubeでアップされているテープ部分は、このブログではアップしていません。youtube以外のものを紹介しています。

まず、タチアナのことについて言っているのだろうと思われる部分。

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MJ:もちろん、それが自分の仕事だから、自分がかわいいと思う女性をSFにキャストするし、実際にその女性たちを好きにはなるけど、その女性たちに本当に好きになられると、困るんだ。そこまで深いおつきあいをしたいわけじゃないから。

S:どうやって正直な気持ちを伝えるの?

MJ:世界中、どこ行くにも追っかけられるケースもある。Badな男性を好きな女性が多いように、シャイな男性が好きな女性も多い。逃げれば逃げるほど、シャイだと思われて、余計に追っかけてくる。彼の本当の姿を引き出せるのは私だけ、と勘違いして。

S:逃げることで、伝わるのかもしれないけど、直接言ったことはある?

MJ:ない。傷つけすぎてしまうから。

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マドンナの部分。

ディズニーランドに誘ってもいないのに、「ディズニーランドには行かないから!ストリップバーに行くからっ!」と言うから、「ストリップバーなんか行かないよ」と言ったら、彼女、メディアに僕に関する酷いことを言いまくったんだ。だから、僕も意地悪な魔女だと言ってやった。あんなに親切にしてやったのに。

ご飯を一緒に食べていたら、子供たちが、「わぁ~、MMだぁ。サインください~っ!」と言ってきたんだ。彼女は、「うるさい。ほっといてくれる?」というから、僕は、「そんなふうに子供に話すもんじゃない。」と言ったら、彼女、「うるさい。」、僕、「あんたがうるさい」と言ったんだ。僕らはそんなふうだった。その後、アカデミー賞に行って、彼女は本当に嫌な奴だった。彼女は嫌な奴なんだよ。

彼女から、自分の指を股の間に入れている、なんて電話をもらったら、どう思う?僕は、「マドンナ、お願いだから…」と言うと、彼女、「電話を切ったら、私のことを考えながら、○○○○して~」。こういうことを言ったりやったりするんだよ、彼女は。彼女と会うと、「この指を昨晩、使ったの」と言うんだ。狂ってる。手に負えないよ。

本当に彼女は狂ったことばかりしていた。何も共通点は見出せなかった。でも、赤ちゃんを持つことで、人は確実に変わると思う。だから、今は、昔よりいい人になっているに違いないと思う。

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金パン無意識説(笑)について。

セクシュアリティについては、プライベートなことだから、話さない。

自分を露出したり、裸体主義な人はいるけど、う~む、僕はよくわからない。僕は違う。

S:チケットの売り上げを上げるために、自分のセクシュアリティを乱用する必要はある?

MJ:あり得ないね。あそこに膨らみを持たせようとする歌手はいるけど、狂ってるよ。理解できない。そういう姿を見ると、嫌気がさす。恥ずかしいよ。僕は、そんなところを見られたくない。探されるようなことなんて、されたくない。うぇ~、恥ずかしいよ!

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今日は、ここまで!続きは、また今度~。

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シンディ・クロウフォード、ダイアナ妃、ブルッキー、テイタムについて。

What did Cindy Crawford want from you last night?
MJ: I have seen Cindy several times, and she was with other guys, and we have met up at the other functions...from afar. I thin she felt thiw was her chance to really meet me. She probably admires me. A lot of people come over. What you saw was nothing.
You have seen celebrites behave like that, like a pack of dogs chasing after someone more famous than them? It's so degrading.
MJ: Yes! It's worse
What did she talk to you about?
MJ: [Imitating Crawford] How are you? I go, I'm all right." Oh you sure your are okay?, Oh I just love your work, and I love what you do. How long are you in town? I sad, I am working her. I'm recording.
Do you think there was a romantic interest?
MJ:Yeaaaah. I kinda think so.
Was she asking you out?
MJ: Those girls flirt...they flirt. She is pretty.
It was blatant. A banker who was with us at the table said to me, Cindy Crawford, when she is up close she is just another gal. I said " But what is she doing here?"
MJ: Did you see Donald Trump come over?
Now he's an interesting man
MJ: A woman I really liked and respected was Princess Diana.
Why
MJ: Because she was classy and sincerly cared about people and children and the plight of what was going on in the world. She did'nt do it for show. I like the way she made her kids wait in line to get on a ride for something.
Can we say that there was an ever so innocent slight romantic attraction? Or do you not want to say that? Do you just want to say that you thought she was a very special?
MJ: She was a feminine kind of woman?
MJ: Very feminine and classy. She was my type for sure, and I don't like most girls. There are very few I like who fit the mold. It takes a very special mold to make me happy and she was on of them. For sure.
Because of her love of kids?
MJ:It takes a lot to find a mirror image, a mirror image. People always say that opposites attract and I think that is true, as well. But I want somebody who is alot like me, who has the same interests and who wants to help and they gotta go to hospitals with me and care about Gavin. That's why you saw LMP and me at those kind of things. She cared about stuff, too.
Did you ever think of asking Princess Diana out?
MJ: Absolutely
So why did'nt you have the never to ask her?
MJ: I never aksed a girl out in my life. The have to ask me.
Really
MJ:I can't ask a girl out.
If she would have asked you out
MJ:Absolutely. Iwould have gone. Brooke Shields aksed me out every time you saw us out together. It was her idea to go out and do it every time. I sincerley liked Brooke Shields too. I liked her a lot.
Does she like kids?
MJ: Yes, my first girlfriend, Tatum O'Neal she'd won the Academy Award for Paper Moon... I was 16, she was 13. And I was very naiive. She wanted to do everything and I did'nt want to have sex at all, because there were a lot of valuses associated with being a JW. I said, "are you crazy?" One of those was to be kind to everyone. WHen I held Tatum's hand it was just magic, better than anything, kisisng her, anything. Her, Ryan O'Neal and myself went to this club and were watching a band and underneath a table she was holding my hand I was was melting. It was magical. There was fireworks going on. It was all I needed But that means nothing to kids today. She grew up too fast. She was'nt into innocence, and I loved that.

シンディ・クロウフォードが出てきて、びっくり!ふむふむ。ブルッキーのことは大好きだけど、絶対に誘えないところが、マイコー、かわゆいなぁ~。

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フランクはおっぱい好きだけど。

シュムリーに、女性が胸を強調することが好きかどうか、聞かれて、「ううん。でも、フランクは好きだよ」だって(笑)やっぱりお尻が好きなんだな・・・(^_^;)

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ジャネットについて。

MJ: When Janet went through her fat stage she cried alot, my sister Janet. She decided to just lose it all, "I'm gonna lose this," and she did it. She was very unhappy.

Shmuley: Are you very protective over her as a younger sister?

MJ: Yeah I was determined to make her lose weight. I was bad. I would tease her to make her lose it. I didn't like it on her. I didn't like it because I knew she would have a hard time.

Shmuley: How did you get her to do something about it?

MJ: I said you have to lose weight "cause you look like a FAT COW" I would tell her and that was mean of me to say. She would say, "Shut up," and I'd say "You shut up."

可愛い兄妹(^^)

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結婚やリサについて。

How do your feel about men who are not faithful to their wives?
MJ:I dont't think it's good but I understand it. I know that is a strange answer.
You find wome fall in love with your all the time as the megastar so you don;t judge men who are unfaithful, because fometimes you'll ascribe it to women who make themselves available?
MJ:I don't judge them because women can do some things that make guys very unhappy. I have seen it with my brothers. I have seen my brothers crying, in teears and pulling grass out of the lawn with frustrations because of their wives.
Do you think a lot of their wives are interested in their success than them?
MJ:Absolutely. They were after their money. That's why I said to myself that I would never be married. I held out the longest. I stayed at home until I was twenty-seven, twenty-eight.
So part of the attraction to LMP that she had her own money and her own fame and you did'nt have to become anxious that she was interested in you for the wrong reasons?
MJ:Absolutely she did'nt take a penny [when we got divorce] she did'nt want anything. She makes about a million dollars a yer from Elvis memorabilia and selling all that stuff and she has her own thing. She is not her to take, you know.
So that means there was almost like one girl in the whole world that you could marry becaue even a rich woman would want your name. Yu needed someone with money and a name. You were down to a Presley or a McCartney or something like that.
MJ:I know Lisa was great. She was a sweet person. But it is hard to tie me down. I can't stay in one place one time so that's why I don't know if I can really be completely married all the time.
Did you want to be a father to her kids?
MJ:Yes
Do you still stay in touch with the children?
MJ:Yes and with her.
But marriage is too confining?
MJ:Yes. I don't know whether I'm disciplined enough because I am such a rolling stone. I have such a life when I am always on the move and women don't like that. They want you to be settled in one place all the time but I have to move. I have been in the same city as where my house is and I'll check into a hotel just to feel like I'm going somewhere. My house is right there. I guess I'm just moving all the time, moving.
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Do you get lonely? Or is there so much going on in your life that it does'nt really happen?
MJ:Like lonely for a wife? For like a mate? Like that?
SB: Yeah
MJ: I've been through two bad divorces. I just got out of the second one.. Even when married to those women that I was married to, I'd go to bed hurting. I was hurting. I was crying last night as I went to sleep and I did'nt sleep good last night.
and I cry Shmuley, because I feel this...and I'm not trying. I'm telling you the honest truth and if your don't believe me you can ask Frank. Frank knew how I was hurting. I just was feeling all the pain of the children who suffer and I was hurting so much. That's why I was trying to reach any child I knew who had pain from[Michael mention a lttle girl who was battling cancer and whose family he met at our home] to Gavin[Michael's later acuser]. I was trying to like calling, dialing and I woke up the first thing, the first person I called was the little girl's house and she had gone already. It hurts me. But I think that's where my real love comes from,Shmuley. If I can help in that way I'm fine and I don't need the other[romantic love].
You know if I meet some girl somewhere and I think she's beautiful, which I see a lot of them, that's great. I mean, I'll go on a date or something. Nothing wrong with that. Jennifer Lpez looked awfully good the other day, she did. I was shocked' cause I never thought....She looked good.
But have you given up on women understanding you? You tend to think that children will understand you a lot better?
MJ: I'm not easy to live with in that way for a wife. I not easy and I know I'm not easy.Because I give all my time to someone else. I give it to children. I give it to somebody sick somewhere, to the music. And women want to be the center. And I remember LMP would always say to me," I'm not a piece of furniture." "I'm not a piece of furniture." You just can't..." and I say, " I don't want you to be a piece of furniture," and you know, there'd be some sick little girls calling on the phone and she'd get mad and hang up on them. And, you know, I feel that's my that's my mission, Shmuley. I have to do it.
What if you found a woman you was soft, who was incredibly soft?
MJ: Like a Mother Teresa or a Lady Diana or...That would be great. I would be perfect.
Would it be better than having to do it on your own?
MJ: Absolutely, and Lisa was great with going to the hospitals with me, and she was so sweet about that. They would tie the babies to the bed of chain children down. We'd go unchain...we'd go free all these babies. I hated that and she discovered a lot of that injustice with me. Countries like Romania and Prague, Czech and all that, Russia.
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Lisa Marie was good about at least visiting. So she had no problem going and doing some of the compassionate things of giving these children love and making them feel special.
MJ: She had no problem doing that but her and I had several big arguments ' cause she's very terretorial with her children. Her children were [her major concern]....and I said "No, all children are our concern," and she never liked that coming from me. She was very angry about that. Pluse she had a fight with me one time when 2 little boys in London killed this other kidand I was going to visit them cause the queen gave them adult sentencing of life. These were like 11 and 10 year old boys and I was going to the prison and visiting them. SHe said, "You idiot. You're just rewarding them for what they did." I said" How dare you say that." I bet if you trace their lives you can find they did'nt have parents around, they did'nt have any love, nobody there to hold them look in their eyes and say "I love you,." They deserve that even if they are going to get life, I just want to say I love you and hold them. " She said, "Well you're wrong." I said "No, you're wrong." The information came out they came from broken families, were never watched as little kids, attended to. Their pacifier was those Chucky movies with the stabbings and the killings. And that's how they became conditioned to that.
Did she admit then you had a good point?
MJ: Nope, she thinks I'm rewarding bad kids.
Did she want you to be a father to her kids?
Well that was once asked of her. She was asked that question on tv and she said, "No, they have a father. Theit father is Keogh," that other guy. But I was really good to her children. Every day I'd bring them home something and they'd be waiting by the window for me and hug me. I love them. I miss them so much.
Did she get used to living at Neverland or was it too isolated?
MJ: Lisa did'nt live at Neverland. We visited Neverland the way...I lived at her house in the city and every once in a while we visited Neverland. It would be like our fun weekend.
And her children liked it?
MJ: Are you kidding me? They were like in heaven.
And you were happy to show it to them?
MJ: Mmm hmm
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But I'm a believer in marriage. So when your relationship with Lisa started to fall apart was it very hard? Your idealism about the family, everthing you believed in building the intimate family you always wanted, especially because you knew....
MJ: I wanted children and she did'nt.
She felt she had her kids.
MJ: Yeah, and she promised me before we married, that would be the first thing we'd do was have children. So I was broken-hearted and I walked around al the time holding these little baby dolls and I'd be crying, that's how badly I wanted them. So I was determined to have children. It disappointed me that she would'nt keep her promise to me, you know? After we got divorced she would hang out with my mother all the time. I have all these letters saying, " I'll give you nine children. I'll do whatever you want." and of course the press don't know all these stories and she just tried for months and months and I just became too hard-hearted at that point. I closed my mind on the whole situation.
So she thought maybe you could get back together?
MJ: Uh huh
But children were a major, major issue?
MJ: Of course.
She had the kids and that was it.
MJ: She had hers and I wanted us to feel like we all were one big family and have more. Just my dream is to have 9 or 10 children, that's what I want.
You're still very young. Do you think that will happen?
MJ: Yeah
But then again it means getting married again.
MJ: Yeah
Are you happy to do that?
MJ: Uh huh... or adopt.
Is it possible Michael you're attracting the wrong kind of girl because of your celebrity?
MJ: It's hard That's why it's hard, it's hard for me. It is hard. It's not easy for celebrities to be married.
Do you think that you could only really marry celebrities so that they don't need you as much?
MJ: That helps, in my opinion. And they understand what you go through. They've been there.
They help you for the right reasons, then?
MJ: Yeah, they're not after you know, WHat you've made [ the money] or you know? [singing] "That's what your are...." [ He won a Grammy for that.]
Right, right

うんうん。いろいろと謎が解けました。はぁ~。マイコ~っ!リサ~っ!

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女性全般について。

So of the women you've dated, the ones who were smart enough not to throw themselves at you, were they the ones that you were more interested in, the ones who were'nt always available and you had to chase them abit?
MJ: The ones who were classy and quiet and not into all the sex all the craziness because I am not into that.
They are the ones you are more interested in?
MJ: Aha. I don't understand a lot of things that go on in relationships and I don't know if I ever will. I think that is what has hurt me in my reltionships because I don't understand how people do some of the things they do.
Mean things
MJ: Mean things and vulgar things with their bodies. I don't understand it and it has hurt my relationships.
So for you love is something very pure?
MJ: Very pure. It shocked me some of the things.
What was it about Diana, that kind of woman, her dignity that kind of innocence? Do you see that often in people where they have a regal bearing to them?
MJ: Nom we don't see it and that's what I love. I think she truly cared about people's feelings and really tried to make the world a better place. I really believe that her heart was out for other people. You could see it in some of the photos where she is touching those little baby's faces and they are sitting on her lap and she would be holding them. That's not faked. You could see it. When you see come out she has got these gloves on and she is waving from a distance, you can see the heart. You can see. You put your money where your mouth is and you go in those huts and ho in those ditches and sit with them and sleep there. That's doing it, that's what I do. Remember when you said you saw my picture in China in some hut, some lady's hut. I go there and I touch the people and I see them.
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Have you ever met a woman like that who loves the same those same things, who'd play hide and sek with you, who'd love the water fights with you?
MJ: Not yet. The ones I have had are jealous of the children. All of them. The get jealous of their own kids and start competing with them. That rubs me in a bad way.
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Have you ever found girls who like practical jokes that you like? Have you ever found a woman who collects comics?
MJ: It is a rarity. If I find one I will go nuts. Especially, if she has those qualities and is beautiful inside. It would be a home run for me. That's why guys hang out. Because they can do that.

ダイアナ妃のような上品な女性がお好きだったんですね。いやぁ~、しかし、流石マイコー。かなり理想が高いです。当り前か(^_^;)しかも、マンガをよく読むような趣味の合う女性がなかなかいないから、男とよく遊ぶってことだったんですね~。

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あの金パンは無意識にやってるの~っ(@_@;)??

In trying to preserve your childlike qualities in your life Michael, you have shied away from talking about overt sexuality. Like when Oprah asked yout about your sex life, you repsonded something to the effect, " that I'm a gentleman I don't talk about that." Do you feel that we should be more respectful of the sexual side of our lives? Has it all become to overt? I mean you're naturally shy about this.
MJ: Yeah, I'm just naturally, um cause I think that's... Private

MJ: Yeah, that's my personal opinion. Other people who are exhibitionist, you know naturists, who go out nude and they feel different about it. Um, I don't know, I'm different in that way.

We don't have to misuse our sexuality to increase ticket sales and record sales?
MJ: No, that's crazy, like some singers who put bulges in their pants, that's crazy. I don't understand that. That's like disgusting to me when they do stuff like that. That's embarrassing. I dont want nobody to even look at me down....like looking for that. That would just embarrass me so bad, oh God.

うぇ~っ!!!!やはり、あそこは正真正銘のカートリッジ方式(折りたたみ方式?女性史コミュの「確実に男である」トピを参照してください。)ってことですかっ?!あそこを見られるのがそんなに恥ずかしいのですか?!!世界中の女性が大注目しているのに~っ?!

マイコーっ!あなたは、やはり確実に男ですっ!!!

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マドンナについて。

"Madonna laid down the law before we went out."I am not going to Disneyland, okay? That's out." I said, "But I didn't ask you to go to Disneyland." She said,"We are going to a restaurant and afterwards we are going to a strip bar." I said, "Iam not going to a strip bar." Guys who cross-dress! Afterwards she wrote some mean things about me in the press and I wrote that she is a nasty witch, after I was so kind to her.

I have told you that we were at the table eating and some little kids came up. "Oh my God, Michael Jackson and Madonna. Can we have your autograph?" She said, "Get out of here. Leave us alone." I said, "Don't ever talk to children like that." She said, "Shut up." I said, "You shut up." That's how we were. Then we went out again and went to the Acadamy Awards and she is not a nice person. I have to say it. She is not a nice person.

MJ: how would you like getting a phone call and she is telling you that she is putting her fingers between her legs. I would say, "oh madonna, please." She said, "what I want you to do when I hang up the phone is to rub yourself and think of me." That's the kind of stuff she says. She does. When I see her she says "This is the finger I used last night." Wild, out of control.

MJ: she (Madonna) did a lot of crazy things and that's how that went. I knew we had nothing in common. But I am pretty sure that having a baby has to change you. I don't know how much she has changed. I'm sure she is a better person than before.

かなり若かりし頃のマドンナ、面白いんですけど(笑)なんか、この二人の関係が想像できちゃいます。

マドンナは、シュムリーのこのテープがいろんな番組で取り上げられたあと、デビッド・レターマンショーに出ているのですが、マイコーのこの話が出たのかどうかは、よくわかりません。一部しかyoutubeで見られなかった…。一応、広報は、マイコーとの思い出は、この話がわかった後も、変わらない、と話しているようですが。

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